February 14, 2008

Self-Destruction of America - a scenario

“In 2058, after nearly half century of demographic shifts in its population and burdened by the steady exiting of most manufacturing and technical industries to easterly neighbor states, Canada and Asia, the state of California -after a decade of political and Supreme Court decisions supporting it-, seceded from the Union and declared itself the Republica de California … Signifying a never-before seen socio-religious movement, Michigan, Illinois and Ohio had grown to be 26% Muslim with torrents of illegal Arab immigrant coming through the Canadian border by the tens of thousands each month. Within 6 years from California's secession, Sharia law was declared ...”

Truth Pain paints an ingenious but not, that implausible scenario of an America that, within a near future, literally self-destructs; a self-destruction brought upon itself through unbridled and careless manner of community diversity, blind tolerance and unchecked Political correctedness.

“The falling of the former 6th largest economy in the world started a domino effect of a magnitude never imagined by the founding Fathers of a once-great Country. Florida, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi immediately coalesced into the United Gulf States and recalled its entire congressional body in the spring of 2059, thus starting the disintegration of the US system of government as it was known ... Signifying a never-before seen socio-religious movement, Michigan, Illinois and Ohio had grown to be 26% Muslim with torrents of illegal Arab immigrant coming through the Canadian border by the tens of thousands each month. Within 6 years from California's secession, Sharia law was declared in all but one of the great lake States. The last President of the Union…”

Read the whole piece here

Like a slow growing metastatic cancer that gradually, relentlessly progresses until inevitably, its host reaches tipping point. The dismantling of time honored institutions. Laws, practices, and conventions can facilitate sweeping cultural change of such magnitude and profundity as to wipe out that can-do individualistic spirit that characterized its once proud citizenship. Gone is the American ethos, born under the first smoke stacks of the industrial age and brought to bear by the greats of the past; the Edison’s, Carnegie’s, Wier’s, Rockefeller’s, Westinghouse’s and espoused by the likes of Napoleon Hill. Whittled away by a generation that no longer cares nor understands.

Just how can the U.S. collapse and fragment? It a captivating question. Apart from the usual arguments about terrorism, it could also come about due to economic weakness and internal disorder caused by the aforementioned factors. Too much immigration? Wrote Don Douglas …"if high rates of continuing immigration result in demands for ethnic separation, the traditional assimilationist melting pot model could be threatened and overturned. Its something that needs to be considered, and perhaps a period of restrictionism in immigration might work to incorporate those already here (in America) and build up and renew American national identity.”

Concludes TP, “I'm going to be long dead before this shit happens, but my kid, my darling little girl is going to inherit my inactions, my blasé attitude of change, my apathy and my assumptions that "somehow" we will prevail, that somehow we will be ok."

We need to wrestle with the questions raised by TP’s post today not tomorrow; otherwise, American hegemony as we know will be threatened.

Comments most appreciated…

24 comments:

Aurora said...

As much as it pains me to say it, I believe American hegemony is all but smashed. In my view, this has been a deliberate sabotage of them from inside and outside involving tacit agreements and handshakes from key people on many levels. Without this, it couldn't have been achieved.
The next rising power will be the E.U., contrary to popular thinking which pinpoints China. The E.U. already has all the mechanisms in place to swallow up enough small countries to just keep growing and outnumber any credible opposition, including America. They've reached critical mass and the rest of the world is going to be expected to pay attention.
And I believe the E.U. will be nowhere near as moral a 'world policeman' as America has been. We're looking at the advancement of a new, dark age.

Robert (Conservative Commentary) said...

Otto, I am glad that you linked this also. I think that this is the most creative yet prognosticative post I have ever seen.

I am not one given to pessimism and gnashing of teeth; however, I can see this scenario becoming real.

Those of us who applaud America's strength and who encourage unilateral actions (both military and non-military) in efforts to protect our democracy and thereby most of the world as well, are assaulted by those who see diversity and parity as the ultimate good. As a result, T-P is correct that we lost our culture day by day.

Aurora has good points above. The EU is indeed a darker force than is seen at this time. It seems from the outside that those countries are sacrificing their identities for the strength of the EU, and we will one day see a new Cold War that makes the first
one seem like a game of checkers.

The U.S. is, and has been, the balancing power between good and evil in the world. I am not so naive or blind as to think that we are perfect nor are we pure, but on balance the U.S. is by far an important element in the world order.

Thanks again for providing this forum, especially on this topic.

TRUTH-PAIN said...

Otto,

My sincere thanks and appreciation for sharing my views with your readers. You and Robert and wonderful participants in my banters and it is with great sincerity that I am humbled by your link-up.

Your posting actually futhers and buttresses my views on the importance and uniqueness of Americana. As you so perfectly expresed:

"The dismantling of time honored institutions. Laws, practices, and conventions can facilitate sweeping cultural change of such magnitude and profundity as to wipe out that can-do individualistic spirit that characterized its once proud citizenship. Gone is the American ethos, born under the first smoke stacks of the industrial age and brought to bear by the greats of the past; the Edison’s, Carnegie’s, Wier’s, Rockefeller’s, Westinghouse’s and espoused by the likes of Napoleon Hill. Whittled away by a generation that no longer cares nor understands."

I wish I would have added that wonderful paragraph to my synopsis. In saying such, I have to auto-correct an assertion I made about America not being inmune to attrition,...yes it is!! The attrition of our cultural institutions such as the great families, the thinkers, the can-do er's who stopped at nothing to invent that which was impossible,... the dreamers that had the audacity to say "let's put a man on the moon in 10 years", the artists, the poets the great explorers like Lewis and Clark,...even the wheeler and dealers that purchased the Louisiana Territory,... those Iconic men and woman, places and ideas, can indeed die by attrition if we fail to make the memories permanent and fixated for generations to come.

I've said it always that you don't have to live and be born in America to be an American. If you are in Australia by birth or choice, then I think I speak for some of us who think you are as great American as any of us who were born here. You get it....

Thanks again for making my little ripple in the water slowly turn into a larger wave....

American Interests - Realgrid Writing said...

aurora and robert: Well what can I add, your esteemed commentary reinforces the view that something is afoot. It hurts to have to acknowledge it but somethiing within TP's post stopped me in my tracks...and we know what that somethng is...It's vitally important that we simple don't put up a white flag on the contrary, we need to engage and contest the forces back of this change....small steps guys...

TP: Thanks! My intention is to turn your ripple into a tidal wave...But it cannot just be up to me...spread the word...

American Interests - Realgrid Writing said...

Threats from within, threats from afar...

"But the distribution of power in the world has fundamentally altered over the two presidential terms of George W. Bush, both because of his policies and, more significant, despite them. Maybe the best way to understand how quickly history happens is to look just a bit ahead."

"It is 2016, and the Hillary Clinton or John McCain or Barack Obama administration is nearing the end of its second term. America has pulled out of Iraq but has about 20,000 troops in the independent state of Kurdistan, as well as warships anchored at Bahrain and an Air Force presence in Qatar. Afghanistan is stable; Iran is nuclear. China has absorbed Taiwan and is steadily increasing its naval presence around the Pacific Rim and, from the Pakistani port of Gwadar, on the Arabian Sea. The European Union has expanded to well over 30 members and has secure oil and gas flows from North Africa, Russia and the Caspian Sea, as well as substantial nuclear energy. America’s standing in the world remains in steady decline."


Excerpt from article that appeared in the NY Times by P. Khanna; not to be seen as advocating all of his views, you would agree however, that these lines alone disturb...

Debbie said...

I enjoy reading Truth Pain, he's a deep thinker. We need to be very concerned about the future. I think multiculturalism, liberalism, illegal immigration will all play a roll if we don't get seriousl

Debbie Hamilton
Right Truth

Jungle Mom said...

God forbid...

American Interests - Realgrid Writing said...

debbie: "multiculturalism, liberalism, illegal immigration"..yes exactly...

Jungle mom: thanks and I appreciate your coming by...

Goat said...

Interesting, Otto, Richard Lamm, gave a speech in 2004 along those same lines. I linked to it here:
http://goatsbarnyard.blogspot.com/2008/02/plan-to-destroy-america.html

MK said...

It's well on the way there folks, according to current trends.

Personally i don't think the EU will amount to anything, you see in the real world, you need hard military power, the EU might be very good at screwing over the average European, but apart from that, if anyone outside their sphere tells them to take a hike, who and what army are going to ensure otherwise.

American Interests.blog said...

goat: I appreciate the link and the advice about the blood pressure medication..Thank you

mk: "Whites to be minority in US by 2050"?? ...Sigh...It's a blog post in itself...

WomanHonorThyself said...

yes Otto!... this has been a deliberate sabotage of them from inside and outside involving tacit agreements and handshakes from key people on many levels...no doubt and we have a painful front row seat to the madness!..excellent fight my friend!

TRUTH-PAIN said...

Otto,
After a few days of doom and gloom themes in replying to my last posting, I decided to peruse through your many fine postings of the past,... and thankfully my juices flowed again to something less heavy. Thank your long library of work for saving me .... :)

American Interests.blog said...

angel: Love a good fight my friend...

tp: .....:) Notice you have posted again, "Liberal rearing 101", that will be interesting....

Elaine said...

Why is no one not talking about our sovereignty? If we cannot control our borders then eventually we will lose our country to the horrific scenario portrayed by Truth Pain.

It is our Governments responsibility to control it's borders and protect it's citizens and the United States and current administration is failing miserably.

This has been tossed around, kicked around and shoved under the carpet since 1986 with President Reagan with the Immigration and Reform Act. Amnesty was granted to 3 million and now we're looking at 30 million! And we still cannot secure our borders!

To present election, who's going to do that? Surely none of the front running candidates we have thus far. McCain introduced the McCain/ Kennedy bill. Clinton and Obama are just as liberal on immigration. Everyone wants amnesty, a band aid on the problem with NO solution.

As a life long Republican who votes Republican, donates money to the RNC I feel betrayed and saddened to the horrible mess left to my children and grand-children.

American Interests.blog said...

Elaine: I hear you, I really do.

Reason for giving Truth Pain’s post all the mileage I could here at AI.

You are invited to share the disturbing message of the post within your sphere of influence in blog world…

It poses very fundamental questions that, as you say, “been tossed around, kicked around and shoved under the carpet” for a long time now…

Thank you!

GrEaT sAtAn'S gIrLfRiEnD said...

Devil's Advocate here. Not so sure about that scary scenerio. Colonization is not what is driving immigration to Great Satan. True enough, many who do show up harbor dreams of power - yet generally work with in the system to acquire it - not to overturn it. The melting pot is still working.

I do concede the point RE: Borders.

The EU may very well continue to get even fatter, richer, drunker and more retarded than ever before - yet militarily it would be a stretch of the imaginiation - a big one - to see anything even remotely equal to Euro armies back in Drang Nach Osten time.

The EU and NATO couldn't even take an 8 hour panzer ride to Belgrade to put Milosevic out of biz. NATO seems like her more selfish buds are wanting to rejazz themselves as a North Atlantic Trade Org rather than stalk scary places in the world to protect tiny baby democracies from getting their tiny baby heads choked plumb off.
Stratfor had an interesting bit a while back for Russia. She needs to act out now and reclaim Warsaw Pact time turf and influ before Great Satan becomes Unbound from the ME and Red China casts covetous (and heavily weaponized eyes) on reso rich Siberia.

Ironically, it may be a resurgent Mother Russia (on paper anyway) to get the EU fully crunk weapon wise. Maybe just as an excuse though. Russian Industries are rec'ving record warranty and quality control claims form Algeria, India and a few other customers who have paid billions on hardware that hasn't really lived up to the manufax specs.

Great Post Otto - thank you for sharing.

American Interests.blog said...

Great SatanG: Agreed that the melting pot model is still holding its own, not perfectly thus, some vigilance is called for in the decades ahead. The EU as a collective could not even organise a chook raffle, hence militarily it’s a non event, at this stage at any rate. Mummy Russia is getting vocal as we type, much noise of the pink kind, static that is, oh and yea the manu specs on hardware are consistent with those of a mid eighties Skoda … did I spell that right? Nevertheless, you may agree the source post provides some valuable fodder for policymakers in the years to come. Thanx for the great comments…

Jeff said...

Not so sure we have a melting pot as much as a salad bowl. The scenario TP discusses could very well happen. In fact, based on history it is a very likely event. I agree, however, that it is an event well over my hozizon and probably that of my grand children's. But come it will, we really can't stop it.

American Interests.blog said...

Jeff: Am hoping you are wrong that, in fact future generations can and want to stop it ...

Robert (Conservative Commentary) said...

I see the EU as far more a threat because of their current inability to mount a conventional war against the west.

Russia is flexing her muscles, evidenced by the bomber flights over London and over our carrier last week. There are many reasons for those both military and non, but I am not going to hit on all of those here.

I will say that the old Soviet Union was a model of communism and tyranny, and it didn't work long because of its inherent violation of the basic state of humans to be free and determine their own path. As the USSR collapsed and capitalism emerged, as a general rule their people did not know what to do with it. So communism so ingrained in the mind and culture a strong, aggressive government to give structure.

Imagine taking advantage of that mentality yet balanced with capitalism and a good quality of life. You get the EU. A central power with a central currency, composed of members who could not(and would not in most cases) stand against the dominating power, which will be Russia. The Russians have benefited most from the emergence of a new system, and as they feel their oats it will intimidate the smaller countries despite their inabilty to take on the US or China at this point.

Make no mistake, Russia has a clear vision as to where they want to be. Their lack of ability today does not mean that they are working on it tomorrow.

I would also doubt any reluctance on their part to become allied with Islamic states against a common "enemy." It may not be that they have a need to field a large and capable conventional military.

There has always been quality contrl issues in their system. It didn;t stop them from forcing us to spend generations of peple and trillions of dollars countering a threat....

Jeff said...

Otto: I agree, let us hope I am wrong. But if the demographic and cultural trends continue as they are then "hope" may be lost or at least a very expensive commodity.

American Interests.blog said...

Robert: Good thoughts, Russia’s rise to prominence is gaining momentum and not merely through rhetoric and air space incursions. I remain certain that they do have a vision as you suggest, and will make use of whatever foreign resource to reach their goal…yet another menace for the U.S. and its Euro allies. If they do not lift quality issues export dollars may go begging so we are talking economic cost as its trading nations weigh up the competition, they may soon come to address this too.

Jeff: Correct you are, we need to put a spanner in the works of these “demographic and cultural trends”, otherwise the change we fear will become unstoppable within a decade or two at most.

MK said...

In all honesty Elaine, i don't think the American people even think that the current half-assed border control is a problem. I think it's one of those causes that'll wake people up when they're bitten in the ass or it's too late.

None the less, like you say it is a major problem for your country and it will not go away and the painless solutions are now long gone.